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		<title>By: Christian</title>
		<link>http://www.filmcrusade.com/generation-of-thieves/comment-page-1/#comment-38</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fundamental problem I have with defenders of piracy is that many, deep down, don&#039;t believe in anti-piracy only because they don&#039;t ever want the day to come that they can&#039;t watch movies for free.  Period.  People pirate not because of any moral belief in piracy&#039;s righteousness; people do it because they both want to and, most importantly, can...the same way that people would take just about anything in this world that they could easily get for free and know that they wouldn&#039;t get caught.

This argument that the industry just needs to make more quality product wouldn&#039;t translate to anti-piracy in a lot of cases as some people would be even more inclined to want to see those movies for free.  Yes, some great movies you&#039;ll want to see in that full cinematic experience, but we&#039;re growing into a more home theater culture, and the industry has to nip things in the bud the best they can.  Anti-piracy has not been a failure in the music industry; as many people as there are still committing piracy, I believe there are far fewer than there would have been.

People pay for music and movies not because they want to lend their support to the industry; they pay because they want the product in a particular form.  But as the day comes that the theater experience ceases to exist, and the gimmick of 3D wears thin on people, then people will be downloading free movies to the same screens as the ones they pay for.  What&#039;s going to distinguish the two?  Especially as the pirates out there get better technology on their side to copy greater quality audio and video?

Many here make the claim that movies would survive just fine with smaller budgets and celebrities with smaller salaries (overall, true), but it is the nature of capitalism that drives what an industry profits, not greed alone.  People pay what they want to pay for the things that they want.  NFL players don&#039;t NEED the amount of money that they make, but the industry can afford to pay them because people pay good money in high numbers.  Some may argue that the big budgets are unnecessary, but people do go to see movies like Transformers, as cheesy as the story may be, ...because they want to.  And movies the size of Transformers, with that level of special effects, or the look of a film like Pan’s Labyrinth, wouldn&#039;t be possible if it wasn&#039;t for the ticket prices for all movies, not just those.  Even beyond the money it takes to make one movie alone at that level, in order to keep every cog in the machine - every gaffer, every makeup artist, every special effects guru - churning and exercised in preparation for that next big hit, the industry has to remain funded not simply when the &quot;good&quot; movies are made, but the &quot;bad&quot; ones too...because some of the very quality products that you love and adore would not have been nearly as good if it wasn&#039;t for all of the mistakes that were made along the way.

The day that movie tickets routinely cost $2 instead of $12, it&#039;ll show...and then people will really start to complain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fundamental problem I have with defenders of piracy is that many, deep down, don&#8217;t believe in anti-piracy only because they don&#8217;t ever want the day to come that they can&#8217;t watch movies for free.  Period.  People pirate not because of any moral belief in piracy&#8217;s righteousness; people do it because they both want to and, most importantly, can&#8230;the same way that people would take just about anything in this world that they could easily get for free and know that they wouldn&#8217;t get caught.</p>
<p>This argument that the industry just needs to make more quality product wouldn&#8217;t translate to anti-piracy in a lot of cases as some people would be even more inclined to want to see those movies for free.  Yes, some great movies you&#8217;ll want to see in that full cinematic experience, but we&#8217;re growing into a more home theater culture, and the industry has to nip things in the bud the best they can.  Anti-piracy has not been a failure in the music industry; as many people as there are still committing piracy, I believe there are far fewer than there would have been.</p>
<p>People pay for music and movies not because they want to lend their support to the industry; they pay because they want the product in a particular form.  But as the day comes that the theater experience ceases to exist, and the gimmick of 3D wears thin on people, then people will be downloading free movies to the same screens as the ones they pay for.  What&#8217;s going to distinguish the two?  Especially as the pirates out there get better technology on their side to copy greater quality audio and video?</p>
<p>Many here make the claim that movies would survive just fine with smaller budgets and celebrities with smaller salaries (overall, true), but it is the nature of capitalism that drives what an industry profits, not greed alone.  People pay what they want to pay for the things that they want.  NFL players don&#8217;t NEED the amount of money that they make, but the industry can afford to pay them because people pay good money in high numbers.  Some may argue that the big budgets are unnecessary, but people do go to see movies like Transformers, as cheesy as the story may be, &#8230;because they want to.  And movies the size of Transformers, with that level of special effects, or the look of a film like Pan’s Labyrinth, wouldn&#8217;t be possible if it wasn&#8217;t for the ticket prices for all movies, not just those.  Even beyond the money it takes to make one movie alone at that level, in order to keep every cog in the machine &#8211; every gaffer, every makeup artist, every special effects guru &#8211; churning and exercised in preparation for that next big hit, the industry has to remain funded not simply when the &#8220;good&#8221; movies are made, but the &#8220;bad&#8221; ones too&#8230;because some of the very quality products that you love and adore would not have been nearly as good if it wasn&#8217;t for all of the mistakes that were made along the way.</p>
<p>The day that movie tickets routinely cost $2 instead of $12, it&#8217;ll show&#8230;and then people will really start to complain.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.filmcrusade.com/generation-of-thieves/comment-page-1/#comment-37</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You worthless parasites call yourself fan of film , yet you dont support the thousands of workers who go into making the films you consume? You try to justify your criminal actions for the fact that Movie studios make money of a product that they pay hundreds of millions to produce?  

With worthless fans like you, film will cease to exist. Then what will you morons do with your free time?  I hope they enact Frances 3 strikes youre out law in this country, so maybe you criminals will actually pay for something instead of feeling entitled to anything you can steal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You worthless parasites call yourself fan of film , yet you dont support the thousands of workers who go into making the films you consume? You try to justify your criminal actions for the fact that Movie studios make money of a product that they pay hundreds of millions to produce?  </p>
<p>With worthless fans like you, film will cease to exist. Then what will you morons do with your free time?  I hope they enact Frances 3 strikes youre out law in this country, so maybe you criminals will actually pay for something instead of feeling entitled to anything you can steal.</p>
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		<title>By: MichaelAlan24</title>
		<link>http://www.filmcrusade.com/generation-of-thieves/comment-page-1/#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator>MichaelAlan24</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When a DVD is sold to a used DVD store and then sold again no profits go to the studios or creators, just to the store. Is this piracy as well? What about when I let a friend borrow a DVD.  He didn&#039;t pay for it, but gets to watch it. MPAA quit your bitching, cause you will never be happy. If piracy was that big a problem then the entertainment industry would have gone broke already.  When I see 200 million dollar budgets for films I think they are doing just fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When a DVD is sold to a used DVD store and then sold again no profits go to the studios or creators, just to the store. Is this piracy as well? What about when I let a friend borrow a DVD.  He didn&#8217;t pay for it, but gets to watch it. MPAA quit your bitching, cause you will never be happy. If piracy was that big a problem then the entertainment industry would have gone broke already.  When I see 200 million dollar budgets for films I think they are doing just fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick J</title>
		<link>http://www.filmcrusade.com/generation-of-thieves/comment-page-1/#comment-35</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with some things and disagree with others.

I agree that content producers should focus on keeping their products secret longer and focus on the pirates who steal WITHIN their own organizations who actually leak the product.

I disagree that anyone should EVER get sued.  EVER.  This is new technology and as such it means a redefinition of the world as we know it.  Any legislation to restrict the internet is a step backwards in time.  The internet should not be less free, it should be more free.  The more communication we have as a society the better.

Think about it like telepathy.  If we could all suddenly communicate with each other telepathically then the moment an idea was had we could instantly spread it around the world.  That is a good thing and the limiting of that is only about gathering up power in the form of limited access.

Anyone who is right minded would know that all this attempts to limit communication are pure power grabs.  The MPAA is just trying to enable weapons and chains to enslave the population that are just as real as any concentration camp or shackles that have ever existed to keep a population under control.

Believe in the good nature of humanity.  Believe that people are smart enough to govern themselves.  Everything else is a lie and chances are if your reading this then you are part of the 99% of the population that has absolutely no power save for the internet which is the greatest taste of freedom most people have had in their whole lives.

P.S. Rich people DO live off the backs of the poor and no amount of stealing from wealthy people is going to make them even begin to understand what it is like to live like the rest of us.  One of the greatest tricks in our culture is to make you believe that some day you will be rich or that you already are.  You&#039;re not rich and you never will be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with some things and disagree with others.</p>
<p>I agree that content producers should focus on keeping their products secret longer and focus on the pirates who steal WITHIN their own organizations who actually leak the product.</p>
<p>I disagree that anyone should EVER get sued.  EVER.  This is new technology and as such it means a redefinition of the world as we know it.  Any legislation to restrict the internet is a step backwards in time.  The internet should not be less free, it should be more free.  The more communication we have as a society the better.</p>
<p>Think about it like telepathy.  If we could all suddenly communicate with each other telepathically then the moment an idea was had we could instantly spread it around the world.  That is a good thing and the limiting of that is only about gathering up power in the form of limited access.</p>
<p>Anyone who is right minded would know that all this attempts to limit communication are pure power grabs.  The MPAA is just trying to enable weapons and chains to enslave the population that are just as real as any concentration camp or shackles that have ever existed to keep a population under control.</p>
<p>Believe in the good nature of humanity.  Believe that people are smart enough to govern themselves.  Everything else is a lie and chances are if your reading this then you are part of the 99% of the population that has absolutely no power save for the internet which is the greatest taste of freedom most people have had in their whole lives.</p>
<p>P.S. Rich people DO live off the backs of the poor and no amount of stealing from wealthy people is going to make them even begin to understand what it is like to live like the rest of us.  One of the greatest tricks in our culture is to make you believe that some day you will be rich or that you already are.  You&#8217;re not rich and you never will be.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry</title>
		<link>http://www.filmcrusade.com/generation-of-thieves/comment-page-1/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back in the day, we used to tape songs off the radio, copy each others tapes and records, copy vhs movies, etc.  It didn&#039;t kill the industries then and it won&#039;t now.  I still believe that people who pirate a movie probably wouldn&#039;t have spent the money on it anyway.  Music is a little different as the British research shows.  This is mainly because you can listen to an album more times than you&#039;re going to watch a movie.  I buy DVD&#039;s, but really, there aren&#039;t many that I wind up watching more than once.  By the same token, though, I don&#039;t pirate movies because 1. I need a quality image and sound and 2.  movie files are huge and it would take pretty long to download.   

Film makers like Steven Soderbergh talk about piracy as if it were going to kill indy films.  I completely disagree with that.  People that watch Indy films are less likely to pirate them.  If anything, priating will kill bloated hollywood fare and make room for smaller, better written movies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in the day, we used to tape songs off the radio, copy each others tapes and records, copy vhs movies, etc.  It didn&#8217;t kill the industries then and it won&#8217;t now.  I still believe that people who pirate a movie probably wouldn&#8217;t have spent the money on it anyway.  Music is a little different as the British research shows.  This is mainly because you can listen to an album more times than you&#8217;re going to watch a movie.  I buy DVD&#8217;s, but really, there aren&#8217;t many that I wind up watching more than once.  By the same token, though, I don&#8217;t pirate movies because 1. I need a quality image and sound and 2.  movie files are huge and it would take pretty long to download.   </p>
<p>Film makers like Steven Soderbergh talk about piracy as if it were going to kill indy films.  I completely disagree with that.  People that watch Indy films are less likely to pirate them.  If anything, priating will kill bloated hollywood fare and make room for smaller, better written movies.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Wachtel</title>
		<link>http://www.filmcrusade.com/generation-of-thieves/comment-page-1/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Wachtel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris/Ron: Some good points. 3D is really going to make piracy interesting once it picks up. 
Ilya: You&#039;re right in making the distinction between &quot;stealing&quot; and &quot;sharing&quot;...this is where the law can get tricky. This is also a dangerous distinction that can threaten censorship to some of our most utilized websites--and that&#039;s for non-pirates.

Looks like someone read this article, felt guilty, and turned himself in! http://torrentfreak.com/drm-breaker-reports-himself-to-anti-piracy-group-091103/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris/Ron: Some good points. 3D is really going to make piracy interesting once it picks up.<br />
Ilya: You&#8217;re right in making the distinction between &#8220;stealing&#8221; and &#8220;sharing&#8221;&#8230;this is where the law can get tricky. This is also a dangerous distinction that can threaten censorship to some of our most utilized websites&#8211;and that&#8217;s for non-pirates.</p>
<p>Looks like someone read this article, felt guilty, and turned himself in! <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/drm-breaker-reports-himself-to-anti-piracy-group-091103/" rel="nofollow">http://torrentfreak.com/drm-breaker-reports-himself-to-anti-piracy-group-091103/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ilya</title>
		<link>http://www.filmcrusade.com/generation-of-thieves/comment-page-1/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>Ilya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>some thoughts. essay is quite good. but there is more in a piracy.
i think piracy is not &quot;stealing something&quot; and not piracy at all.
it&#039;s more like sharing information and acquaintance with something.
internet gave us so much information and so many ways to find something, that we just have to understand for ourselves what is good. and with so many records and movies we can obtain it turns out most of it is crap, most actors and musicians are overpaid, most movies are overpraised. rare person could afford to buy everything he can download, listen to or watch once and delete forever from hdd, &#039;cos of poor quality of that &quot;piece of art&quot;. Bad written song and horrible blockbuster are rarely deserves money spending and rarely worth seeing just once, not to mention twice or more,  but i for example will not go for free to the live performance of favorite band or performer and to the cinema to watch new verhoven movie. and fans are buying good records. records they like.
so the thing is - anti-piracy theme is more connected to the inadequatly big incomes for the industries, income they do not really deserve but do not want to loose, than art or really stealing from artists. let&#039;s face it - big budgeted record and movie industry based mostly on trickery,sociology and deceiving, and so-called piracy is mostly the way for the people to find out who is who,  find out what&#039;s worth their money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>some thoughts. essay is quite good. but there is more in a piracy.<br />
i think piracy is not &#8220;stealing something&#8221; and not piracy at all.<br />
it&#8217;s more like sharing information and acquaintance with something.<br />
internet gave us so much information and so many ways to find something, that we just have to understand for ourselves what is good. and with so many records and movies we can obtain it turns out most of it is crap, most actors and musicians are overpaid, most movies are overpraised. rare person could afford to buy everything he can download, listen to or watch once and delete forever from hdd, &#8216;cos of poor quality of that &#8220;piece of art&#8221;. Bad written song and horrible blockbuster are rarely deserves money spending and rarely worth seeing just once, not to mention twice or more,  but i for example will not go for free to the live performance of favorite band or performer and to the cinema to watch new verhoven movie. and fans are buying good records. records they like.<br />
so the thing is &#8211; anti-piracy theme is more connected to the inadequatly big incomes for the industries, income they do not really deserve but do not want to loose, than art or really stealing from artists. let&#8217;s face it &#8211; big budgeted record and movie industry based mostly on trickery,sociology and deceiving, and so-called piracy is mostly the way for the people to find out who is who,  find out what&#8217;s worth their money.</p>
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		<title>By: ps</title>
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		<dc:creator>ps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of the pirated movies I&#039;ve seen are copies of the previews the studios send around to select people. If they are trying plug leaks, maybe they should start there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the pirated movies I&#8217;ve seen are copies of the previews the studios send around to select people. If they are trying plug leaks, maybe they should start there.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://www.filmcrusade.com/generation-of-thieves/comment-page-1/#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off this article was excellent

Really well written and had some good points.

Overall piracy is a tough one for me.  I am an artist too and I am torn on people pirating things.  I personally don&#039;t really pirate.  Ok I have downloaded a song or two.  But part of the problem with movies being pirated is that to me they don&#039;t look as good and the audio sometimes isn&#039;t right.  I&#039;m a stickler for good picture and audio.

I would stress until a movie is on dvd to make sure no dvd&#039;s exist that aren&#039;t water marked so people know this is a pirated movie.  

I think people get a bit embarrassed believe it or not when it is clear they stole something.  Make it obvious this is not a copy of the movie that should be watched at home.  I think that would have an impact and would stop people from trying to sell the movie as if it were a store dvd copy.

Also I think it is important for Studios to pack the movies with extras.  I am shocked how many of my family members watch the extras now on dvds.  I thought they were only for me seeing how I am a film junkie.  But no a lot of people watch them and most pirated dvd&#039;s don&#039;t have them.

I think there is a lot that can be done to stop or slow down pirating.  Another big one which I think studios have done is make movies affordable.  Do you really want to pirate a movie that you can buy for 10 bucks?  Not really.  I think as long as you aren&#039;t gauging the consumer you can actually make some great reasons why people should buy the dvd and not pirate it.  

We will see what happens but honestly a solid article on the matter.

Ron</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off this article was excellent</p>
<p>Really well written and had some good points.</p>
<p>Overall piracy is a tough one for me.  I am an artist too and I am torn on people pirating things.  I personally don&#8217;t really pirate.  Ok I have downloaded a song or two.  But part of the problem with movies being pirated is that to me they don&#8217;t look as good and the audio sometimes isn&#8217;t right.  I&#8217;m a stickler for good picture and audio.</p>
<p>I would stress until a movie is on dvd to make sure no dvd&#8217;s exist that aren&#8217;t water marked so people know this is a pirated movie.  </p>
<p>I think people get a bit embarrassed believe it or not when it is clear they stole something.  Make it obvious this is not a copy of the movie that should be watched at home.  I think that would have an impact and would stop people from trying to sell the movie as if it were a store dvd copy.</p>
<p>Also I think it is important for Studios to pack the movies with extras.  I am shocked how many of my family members watch the extras now on dvds.  I thought they were only for me seeing how I am a film junkie.  But no a lot of people watch them and most pirated dvd&#8217;s don&#8217;t have them.</p>
<p>I think there is a lot that can be done to stop or slow down pirating.  Another big one which I think studios have done is make movies affordable.  Do you really want to pirate a movie that you can buy for 10 bucks?  Not really.  I think as long as you aren&#8217;t gauging the consumer you can actually make some great reasons why people should buy the dvd and not pirate it.  </p>
<p>We will see what happens but honestly a solid article on the matter.</p>
<p>Ron</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We know providing quality films is a no brainer and is the best way to fight piracy, nevertheless, movie execs should also focus on providing what viewers can&#039;t enjoy at home, the experience. For example, not only did I watch the batman sequel in an IMAX theater, I watched it again the following week at my local theater, and in the following months I watched a pirated copy a few more times. The experience was worth spending my money a few times, but the inevitable delay in home distribution did not prevent me from indulging in a downloaded copy.

I think this explains why movie studios are pushing 3D so hard. It&#039;s an experience that few can replicate properly at home and if it&#039;s done well, one would assume people would pay to see it in theaters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We know providing quality films is a no brainer and is the best way to fight piracy, nevertheless, movie execs should also focus on providing what viewers can&#8217;t enjoy at home, the experience. For example, not only did I watch the batman sequel in an IMAX theater, I watched it again the following week at my local theater, and in the following months I watched a pirated copy a few more times. The experience was worth spending my money a few times, but the inevitable delay in home distribution did not prevent me from indulging in a downloaded copy.</p>
<p>I think this explains why movie studios are pushing 3D so hard. It&#8217;s an experience that few can replicate properly at home and if it&#8217;s done well, one would assume people would pay to see it in theaters.</p>
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